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		<title>How many libel lawyers does it take&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8230; to discuss where the public interest lies in libel reform? Quite a few it would seem.  Last night in the austere but impressive surroundings of Gray&#8217;s Inn Hall, dozens of lawyers and miscellaneous libel reform types gathered to hear &#8230; <a href="/2011/01/12/how-many-libel-lawyers-does-it-take/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://pixel.wp.com/b.gif?host=meejalaw.com&#038;blog=21851203&#038;post=575&#038;subd=meejalaw&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; to discuss where the public interest lies in libel reform? Quite a few it would seem.  Last night in the austere but impressive surroundings of <a href="http://www.graysinn.info/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=category&amp;sectionid=1&amp;id=1&amp;Itemid=661#anchorhall" target="_blank">Gray&#8217;s Inn Hall</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/davidallengreen/status/24900885763072000" target="_blank">dozens of lawyers</a> and miscellaneous libel reform types gathered to hear a panel promising to analyse the <a href="https://inforrm.wordpress.com/2011/01/11/libel-reform-in-the-publics-interest-inforrmmedia-standards-trust-event/#more-6327" target="_blank">public interest defence</a> and the place of the <a href="http://mediastandardstrust.org/blog/the-public-and-libel-reform-debate-tonight/" target="_blank">&#8216;little guy&#8217;</a>, on whichever &#8216;side&#8217; he may be. There was a moderate level of tweeting, which <a href="/2011/01/11/event-libel-reform-in-the-publics-interest/" target="_blank">can be re-played here on this live blog</a>, and coverage on various blogs. The Media Standards Trust says video footage is coming, for those who missed it on the night.</p>
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<li>Jon Slattery: <a href="http://jonslattery.blogspot.com/2011/01/marsh-dont-leave-public-out-of-libel.html" target="_blank">Marsh: &#8216;Don&#8217;t leave the public out of libel reform&#8217; </a></li>
<li>Inforrm: <a href="https://inforrm.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/opinion-balancing-libel-reform-kevin-marsh/" target="_blank">Opinion: “Balancing Libel Reform” – Kevin Marsh</a></li>
<li>Gavin Freeguard, MST: <a href="http://mediastandardstrust.org/blog/libel-reform-and-the-public-%e2%80%93-review-of-mstinforrm-debate-at-grays-inn/" target="_blank">Libel reform and the public – review of MST/INFORRM debate at Gray’s Inn</a></li>
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<p><strong>Update 17/01/10</strong>: Video from the event, courtesy of the Media Standards Trust. Part 1, below. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/MediaStandardsTrust" target="_blank">Other clips available here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Are England&#8217;s libel laws relevant in an age of blogging?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking on a panel at last night's Online News Association / Index on Censorship 'Bloggers in the Dock' event, Stephens argued for the "innate good sense of crowds". If a forum or site hosts all forms of opinion "we are then able to make up our minds about the issues of the day." <a href="/2010/09/15/are-englands-libel-laws-relevant-in-an-age-of-blogging/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://pixel.wp.com/b.gif?host=meejalaw.com&#038;blog=21851203&#038;post=162&#038;subd=meejalaw&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyer <a href="http://www.fsilaw.com/Profiles/Mark%20Stephens.aspx" target="_blank">Mark Stephens</a> says not. Stephens, who is a partner at Finers Stephens Innocent, and sits on the board of Index on Censorship, says that the libel values of yore &#8220;don&#8217;t apply in the modern era&#8221;.</p>
<p>Speaking on a panel at last night&#8217;s Online News Association / Index on Censorship <a href="/2010/09/14/bloggers-in-the-dock/" target="_blank">&#8216;Bloggers in the Dock&#8217; event</a>, Stephens argued for the &#8220;innate good sense of crowds&#8221;. If a forum or site hosts all forms of opinion &#8220;we are then able to make up our minds about the issues of the day&#8221;.</p>
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<li><a href="/2010/09/14/bloggers-in-the-dock/" target="_blank">Live blog &amp; tweets at this link</a></li>
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<p>He used the example of the Gina Ford / MumsNet fall out as an example of where forums could provide different points of view (Stephens&#8217; firm represented the parenting site in the dispute: MumsNet apologised and <a href="http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article1769332.ece" target="_blank">paid out a five figure sum to Ford but did not accept liability</a>). There was nothing that was libellous in there, he claimed. &#8220;I felt at that point libel laws had fallen into disrepute,&#8221; said Stephens.</p>
<p>&#8220;Human beings are basically decent.&#8221; Ultimately self-censorship wins, he said: &#8220;[T]he voices of reason will say that&#8217;s wrong, don&#8217;t say that&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think what we should be saying is speech meet speech,&#8221; he argued.</p>
<p><em><a href="http://meejalaw.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/panel-bloggers-in-the-dock-1024x513.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1540" title="Panel-Bloggers-in-the-Dock-1024x513" src="http://meejalaw.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/panel-bloggers-in-the-dock-1024x513.jpg?w=640&#038;h=320" alt="" width="640" height="320" /></a>(Photo: Jon Slattery. L-R: Dave Osler, Kathryn Corrick from the ONA, Mark Stephens and Sile Lane)</em></p>
<p>But some of the audience and his fellow panelists, free speech advocate <a href="http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/333/" target="_blank">Sile Lane</a> and blogger <a href="http://www.davidosler.com/" target="_blank">Dave Osler</a> weren&#8217;t in agreement and argued that libel law had its place.</p>
<p>Looking ahead, <a href="http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/defamationhl.html" target="_blank">Lord Lester&#8217;s bill</a> was likely to meet its fate and be &#8220;killed&#8221;, when this government take it forward, Stephens continued. He would place £50 on Lord Lester&#8217;s bill being &#8220;parked&#8221;, and a more &#8220;astringent&#8221; Conservative version replacing it, <a href="http://twitter.com/rohanjay/status/24499549402" target="_blank">he said</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://meejalaw.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/silelane.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1541" title="SileLane" src="http://meejalaw.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/silelane.jpg?w=175&#038;h=300" alt="" width="175" height="300" /></a>Sile Lane, from Sense About Science (pictured right), was more confident and said &#8220;it&#8217;s all to play for&#8221;. She talked about the <a href="http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/about/525/" target="_blank">organisation&#8217;s research into the legal threats for bloggers</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;They back down and withdraw material more often than not when faced with a threat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lane is planning to present her material to the Ministry of Justice and urged other online writers to get in touch via <a href="http://libelreform.org" target="_blank">LibelReform.org</a>.</p>
<p>Dave Osler, who underwent a three year legal battle <a href="http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2010/05/dave-oslers-splendid-victory-but-libel.html" target="_blank">when he was sued by the political activist Johanna Kaschke</a>, provided a walking case study of the lengthy libel process.</p>
<p>His partner, in the audience, argued that the process itself needs to be addressed: &#8220;once you&#8217;re sued, you can&#8217;t get out of it,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p>Dr Evan Harris, former MP and libel reform campaigner, mooted the idea of &#8216;early strike out&#8217; when there was a public interest defence but said the lawyers he talked to about the issue were divided and sometimes even changed their own minds.</p>
<p>The idea of a libel tribunal was shouted down by Mark Stephens, who said that claimant lawyers claiming to back this idea were making &#8220;strawman&#8221; arguments and that such a system wouldn&#8217;t really be in their interest.</p>
<p><a href="http://jackofkent.blogspot.com" target="_blank">Lawyer and blogger David Allen Green</a>, while challenging Stephens on a number of his other points, agreed that tribunals would be a &#8220;bad&#8221; thing.</p>
<p>Green pointed out that <a href="http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2010/04/bca-v-singh-astonishingly-liberal.html" target="_blank">BCA v Singh</a>, the case that brought the libel reform campaign to the fore, started with a tribunal type meeting and it resolved nothing because the parties disagreed on meaning.</p>
<p>More useful, he said, would be the possibility of keeping libel cases out the High Court and pursuing them in County Courts, for example.</p>
<p><strong>Comment</strong></p>
<p>While the evening&#8217;s discussion provided a lively libel reform debate, the basic concept of <em>&#8216;Blogger in the Dock&#8217;</em> wasn&#8217;t really directly addressed.</p>
<p>During the debate David Allen Green raised the issue of the blogger&#8217;s defence and mass online publication. Perhaps for Bloggers in the Dock round 2 (in the pub, or virtually) we could address these aspects specifically:</p>
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<li>What would strengthen a blogger&#8217;s defence in a libel case, or privacy breach?</li>
<li>How does a blogger perform a quick check to assess the basis of legal threats they receive?</li>
<li>Should there be some mechanism by which bloggers can seek cheap and fast legal advice?</li>
<li>Do the courts need to view forums, individual blogs and newspaper sites in different lights? Or is the medium of publication irrelevant?</li>
<li>How far should we shoot the messenger? (ie. the ISP / search engine) For example, how should a court treat <a href="/2010/09/13/libel-and-contempt-in-an-age-of-search/" target="_blank">&#8216;suggested search terms&#8217;</a> that can repeat defamatory statements, or statements that breach an injunction?</li>
<li>Mark Stephens talked about meeting speech with speech: should a publisher take it upon him or herself to introduce balancing views in a forum discussion?</li>
<li>What about harrassment online? How have the police dealt with internet harrassment crimes? Is enough done in this area?</li>
<li>Is there any point in issuing injunctions when they can be so easily broken online? Or have <em>already</em> been broken online? If one is issued to one media house, who should know about it?</li>
<li>Does Contempt of Court law need reform, considering bloggers might be writing about, or moderating comments, <a href="/2010/09/09/courting-data-an-attempt-to-get-better-acquainted-with-englands-law/" target="_blank">for cases in which they have not seen court orders?</a></li>
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<p><em>With thanks to </em><a href="http://jonslattery.blogspot.com" target="_blank"><em>Jon Slattery</em></a><em> for the photographs from the evening. His post on the debate can be <a href="http://jonslattery.blogspot.com/2010/09/stephens-dont-bet-on-government.html" target="_blank">found here</a>.<br />
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