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	<title>Comments on: A storm in a brown envelope? Comment moderation issues on the Isle of Wight</title>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>https://meejalaw.com/2011/06/09/a-storm-in-a-brown-envelope-comment-moderation-issues-on-the-isle-of-wight/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When people say &quot;ALL&quot; big news sites post moderate are they forgetting the murdoch press which premod user comments???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When people say &#8220;ALL&#8221; big news sites post moderate are they forgetting the murdoch press which premod user comments???</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2011-06-13 &#171; Sarah Hartley</title>
		<link>https://meejalaw.com/2011/06/09/a-storm-in-a-brown-envelope-comment-moderation-issues-on-the-isle-of-wight/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[links for 2011-06-13 &#171; Sarah Hartley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A storm in a brown envelope? Comment moderation issues on the Isle of Wight &#124; media law &amp; ethics At the heart of the issue is the council’s objection to VB moderating its user-generated comments after, rather than before, publication. (tags: council localgovernment legal moderation ventnorblog) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A storm in a brown envelope? Comment moderation issues on the Isle of Wight | media law &amp; ethics At the heart of the issue is the council’s objection to VB moderating its user-generated comments after, rather than before, publication. (tags: council localgovernment legal moderation ventnorblog) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Does Local Government Really Want Transparency? &#124; Michael Rawlins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Does Local Government Really Want Transparency? &#124; Michael Rawlins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Philip John</title>
		<link>https://meejalaw.com/2011/06/09/a-storm-in-a-brown-envelope-comment-moderation-issues-on-the-isle-of-wight/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Paul Perhaps the community should go along to future meetings and shout out the comments that the council have told VB to take down?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul Perhaps the community should go along to future meetings and shout out the comments that the council have told VB to take down?!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Shepherd</title>
		<link>https://meejalaw.com/2011/06/09/a-storm-in-a-brown-envelope-comment-moderation-issues-on-the-isle-of-wight/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Shepherd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If an outlet wants to be treated as a genuine news organisation rather than a blog&quot; isn&#039;t at all patronising, is it? As for adhering &quot;to the same principles as all the other news outlets with which we deal&quot; I&#039;m pretty sure it&#039;s only the BBC that does anything approaching pre-moderation. All the newspaper groups I can think of that allow comments are post moderated, because that&#039;s what the lawyers advise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If an outlet wants to be treated as a genuine news organisation rather than a blog&#8221; isn&#8217;t at all patronising, is it? As for adhering &#8220;to the same principles as all the other news outlets with which we deal&#8221; I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s only the BBC that does anything approaching pre-moderation. All the newspaper groups I can think of that allow comments are post moderated, because that&#8217;s what the lawyers advise.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
		<link>https://meejalaw.com/2011/06/09/a-storm-in-a-brown-envelope-comment-moderation-issues-on-the-isle-of-wight/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Bradshaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it incredible that they can threaten to withdraw accreditation on the basis of moderation policy. Either the council serves its public and wants to keep their public informed, or they don&#039;t. What other information people exchange on a news site is a separate matter. Will they stop using Twitter and Facebook if people tweet back offensive comments because they disagree with Twitter/Facebook&#039;s &#039;moderation policy&#039;? Will they stop using the town hall for meetings because people are free to shout accusations of corruption?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it incredible that they can threaten to withdraw accreditation on the basis of moderation policy. Either the council serves its public and wants to keep their public informed, or they don&#8217;t. What other information people exchange on a news site is a separate matter. Will they stop using Twitter and Facebook if people tweet back offensive comments because they disagree with Twitter/Facebook&#8217;s &#8216;moderation policy&#8217;? Will they stop using the town hall for meetings because people are free to shout accusations of corruption?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rawlins</title>
		<link>https://meejalaw.com/2011/06/09/a-storm-in-a-brown-envelope-comment-moderation-issues-on-the-isle-of-wight/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rawlins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You should &lt;strong&gt;always&lt;/strong&gt; post moderate. If you pre moderate then you are as responsible for the comment as the person who wrote is as you are in effect condoning or agreeing with them as you are publishing it.

If you post moderate while you are still technically publishing it you have a defence that you may not have seen it. If you are notified of a bad comment and you are seen to be doing something about it like taking it down then you are covered, to a point.

Even &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/termsandconditions.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Northcliffe in their T&amp;Cs&lt;/a&gt; say in para 4 &lt;em&gt;Please note that we do not check, monitor, moderate or even see all the comments and other material submitted to us.&lt;/em&gt;

Simon &amp; Sally have had their fair share of issues with the blog but are nothing but professional in the way they manage it. Is it a case of the council using the big sledgehammer to crack the peanut? A phone call or a quiet word would probably sufficed..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should <strong>always</strong> post moderate. If you pre moderate then you are as responsible for the comment as the person who wrote is as you are in effect condoning or agreeing with them as you are publishing it.</p>
<p>If you post moderate while you are still technically publishing it you have a defence that you may not have seen it. If you are notified of a bad comment and you are seen to be doing something about it like taking it down then you are covered, to a point.</p>
<p>Even <a href="http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/termsandconditions.html" rel="nofollow">Northcliffe in their T&amp;Cs</a> say in para 4 <em>Please note that we do not check, monitor, moderate or even see all the comments and other material submitted to us.</em></p>
<p>Simon &amp; Sally have had their fair share of issues with the blog but are nothing but professional in the way they manage it. Is it a case of the council using the big sledgehammer to crack the peanut? A phone call or a quiet word would probably sufficed..</p>
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		<title>By: Philip John</title>
		<link>https://meejalaw.com/2011/06/09/a-storm-in-a-brown-envelope-comment-moderation-issues-on-the-isle-of-wight/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At Lichfield Live (previously The Lichfield Blog) we take the exact same approach as VB and wouldn&#039;t stray from that. A lot of thought and research went in to making that decision and we&#039;re confident it&#039;s the right way to protect our own backs and provide a good service.

IoW council are wrong to demand that VB pre-moderate and threaten to remove their accreditation. It&#039;s as if they&#039;re trying to bully VB to the point that they give up. Having spoken plenty of times to both Simon and Sally I&#039;m sure their passion won&#039;t allow that.

Part of me would love to see this tested. If IoW really believe they&#039;re being defamed they should take VB to court. One judge has already said &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://philipjohn.co.uk/2009/11/24/defamation-case-law-derbyshire-county-council-v-times-newspapers-ltd/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it would be contrary to the public interest for institutions of central or local government to have any right at common law to maintain an action for damages for defamation&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Lichfield Live (previously The Lichfield Blog) we take the exact same approach as VB and wouldn&#8217;t stray from that. A lot of thought and research went in to making that decision and we&#8217;re confident it&#8217;s the right way to protect our own backs and provide a good service.</p>
<p>IoW council are wrong to demand that VB pre-moderate and threaten to remove their accreditation. It&#8217;s as if they&#8217;re trying to bully VB to the point that they give up. Having spoken plenty of times to both Simon and Sally I&#8217;m sure their passion won&#8217;t allow that.</p>
<p>Part of me would love to see this tested. If IoW really believe they&#8217;re being defamed they should take VB to court. One judge has already said &#8220;<a href="http://philipjohn.co.uk/2009/11/24/defamation-case-law-derbyshire-county-council-v-times-newspapers-ltd/" rel="nofollow">it would be contrary to the public interest for institutions of central or local government to have any right at common law to maintain an action for damages for defamation</a>.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Defamation &#8211; Case Law: Derbyshire County Council v Times Newspapers Ltd &#124; Philip John</title>
		<link>https://meejalaw.com/2011/06/09/a-storm-in-a-brown-envelope-comment-moderation-issues-on-the-isle-of-wight/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Defamation &#8211; Case Law: Derbyshire County Council v Times Newspapers Ltd &#124; Philip John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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